CHICAGO -- Dan Pashman not only invented a new pasta shape just a few years ago, now he’s coming for your pasta sauce.

He’s best known as the creator and host of The Sporkful food podcast. His culinary legacy, however, may be immortalized as the inventor of the cascatelli pasta shape. He’s also the author of the upcoming new cookbook “Anything’s Pastable: 81 Inventive Pasta Recipes for Saucy People.”

So what’s up with our pasta sauce?

“When cascatelli first came out, it was obviously extremely exciting,” Pashman said. The first batch sold out in less than two hours three years ago, he added, when it went viral on social media. “And people were sending me pictures of what they were making with this from all over the country, all over the world.”

It was a nice feeling, he said, as if he’d been invited into people’s homes for dinner, which was very meaningful.

“But there was a problem,” said Pashman. Seventy-five percent of the pictures he saw were tomato sauce, meat sauce or macaroni and cheese. “A few party animals made pesto, maybe a traditional cacio e pepe or carbonara.”

He said he saw in a way he hadn’t seen before that for a lot of Americans, their range of pasta dishes is very narrow. Even in his own home, he added, where it’s just so easy to stick with the basics.

“It was based on that experience that I set out to write a cookbook that would hopefully revolutionize pasta sauces the way cascatelli totally revolutionized pasta shapes,” Pashman said. “And show people that there’s so much more than they can and should be putting on all their pasta shapes, not just cascatelli.”

But speaking of cascatelli, chef Darnell Reed was not only the first to put it on the menu at his restaurant in Chicago, Luella’s Southern Kitchen in Lincoln Square, but the first in the world.

“I was very interested in going beyond traditional Italian restaurants,” Pashman said. “I thought it would be more interesting to bring it to chefs with different culinary backgrounds and see what they would do with it.”

He reached out to friends all around the country and one connected him to Reed.

“And the dish was a Cajun crawfish carbonara with cascatelli,” said Pashman. “It is rich and decadent, but it’s also peppery and spicy.”

If you haven’t tried the dish, or the pasta, could the podcast host describe cascatelli in a conversation by phone?

“It’s a little hard to describe in audio,” Pashman said. “But basically, it’s a short shape with kind of a flat strip that curls almost like a comma, or half a heart if you look at it from the side. And then protruding out from that flat strip are two parallel ruffles that are perpendicular, sticking up from the flat strip, almost like Stegosaurus’ spine. But those two ruffle strips hold a lot of sauce in between them, the space between the two ruffles, I call the sauce trough and when sauce goes in there, it cannot escape.”

It is a squiggly but substantial little pasta. So why did he feel the need to invent a new shape?

“I was dissatisfied with a lot of the shapes that are out there,” Pashman said. “I have these three criteria that I came up with to judge all pasta shapes. So there’s forkability, how easy is it to get it on your fork and keep it there. Sauceability, how well the sauce adheres to the shape. And toothsinkability, which is how satisfying is it to sink your teeth into it. And I think a lot of shapes out there are good at one or two of those things. Very few nail all three. Spaghetti, the most popular shape out there, barely gets one right. It’s very hard to get a good bite of spaghetti on your fork. It’s either too much or too little. It’s got danglers getting all over your face. And certainly, we’ve all had the experience of eating a whole plate of spaghetti and meat sauce and you finished the pasta and half the sauce is still on the plate.”

What’s his go-to sauce now for cascatelli?

“One of my very personal favorites is a mapo tofu cascatelli recipe that’s in the cookbook,” Pashman said. “I collaborated with a great recipe developer and cookbook author, Andrea Nguyen, on that one. And Andrea has this cheat in a stroke of genius to take silken tofu, and instead of cubing it like you typically would for mapo tofu, she has you puree it, which gives the sauce like the thickness of a cream sauce without any dairy.”

It’s got meatiness, he added, tons of spice, an incredible depth of flavor and ground meat.

“I didn’t think the world needed any more recipes for marinara sauce or lasagna bolognese,” said Pashman. “That’s why we have kimchi carbonara. We have cacio e pepe with chile crisp and optional Sichuan peppercorns. We have shakshuka in shells.”

There’s also a recipe for roasted artichokes with preserved lemon instead of the traditional Italian pasta with fresh lemon, he added, so it gives you a Middle Eastern or North African vibe.

“There’s a keema bolognese that I love,” said Pashman, about his variation on the South Asian ground meat dish.

He said he did go on a research trip across Italy “to bring back some of the more obscure Italian pasta dishes that maybe aren’t well known in America.”

“I went to a restaurant in Bari in the far corner of Italy where they invented a dish called spaghetti all’assassina, assassin’s spaghetti,” Pashman said. The pasta is cooked down in a spicy tomato sauce, he added, then you pan-fry it until it turns charred, crispy and crunchy. “And it is ridiculous.”

Pashman will be in Chicago for a book tour event on March 21.

“It’ll be a live Sporkful podcast taping and book signing,” he said. “I’ll be in conversation with Joanne Lee Molinaro, aka The Korean Vegan, phenomenal TikTok and Instagram video-maker and James Beard award-winning cookbook author.”

He’s also launched a multipart Sporkful podcast series about the making of his cookbook, somewhat of a meditation on the creative process, he said, and challenging yourself to do things that you’re not sure if you’re going to be able to pull off, which Molinaro has also talked about. The special series will culminate with the launch of the cookbook on March 19.

Luella’s chef Reed will also join them on stage for part of the conversation.

“He has three recipes in the book that we collaborated on,” Pashman said. One is the Cajun crawfish carbonara cascatelli, he added, a dirty orzo that’s a play on a dirty rice, plus a macaroni and cheese with shrimp and andouille sausage.

What the author was trying to do in his cookbook is just be true to the way we cook already, he said, as America gets more diverse.

“Sometimes I have leftover dal in my refrigerator and leftover tortellini,” Pashman said. “And I’m like, I bet those would go good together.”

That’s often how innovation and evolution happen in food culture, he added.

“This is already happening in my kitchen and kitchens across America, even if it’s not happening in all the traditional homes in Italy.”

The cookbook, “Anything’s Pastable: 81 Inventive Pasta Recipes for Saucy People,” will be out on March 19, published by William Morrow / HarperCollins, harpercollins.com.

The “Sporkful Live: Anything’s Pastable” event in Chicago will be held on March 21 at Everybody’s Coffee,935 W. Wilson Ave., organized by The Book Cellar, bookcellarinc.com.

More cookbooks, by Chicago area authors, listed in alphabetical order by last name:

“Let’s Make Bread! A Comic Book Cookbook” by Sarah Becan and Ken Forkish

Illustrator/comics artist Sarah Becan and New York Times bestselling author/chef Ken Forkish have teamed up for the newest in her “Let’s Make” series, which previously got us making ramen and dumplings. Their upcoming “Let’s Make Bread! A Comic Book Cookbook,” out on May 14 by publisher Ten Speed Graphic, features the colorful and cute signature style by Becan, who lives in Chicago. Seventeen recipes include a corn kernel bread, a raisin-pecan bread, plus a fun guide on how to start and keep a sourdough starter.

Ten Speed Graphic / Penguin Random House, penguinrandomhouse.com

“Midwestern Food: A Chef’s Guide to the Surprising History of a Great American Cuisine, with More Than 100 Tasty Recipes” by Paul Fehribach

Chef Paul Fehribach made his debut as an author with a cookbook devoted to Big Jones, the critically acclaimed Southern-inspired restaurant he opened with partner Mark Armantrout in Andersonville. Fehribach goes beyond the neighborhood with his latest book, “Midwestern Food: A Chef’s Guide to the Surprising History of a Great American Cuisine, with More Than 100 Tasty Recipes,” released last fall by The University of Chicago Press. Those recipes include his grandfather’s favorite watermelon rind pickles, duck and manoomin hotdish plus a pawpaw chiffon pie. Manoomin is the Ojibwe word for wild rice.

The University of Chicago Press, press.uchicago.edu

“The Lula Cafe Cookbook: Collected Recipes and Stories” by Jason Hammel

Friends and artists Jason Hammel and Amalea Tshilds originally opened Lula Cafe in a single storefront across the street from the Logan Square Monument in 1999, eventually becoming chefs and spouses at the restaurant that’s now also a landmark as a pioneer in the farm to table movement. Celebrating its 25th anniversary this year, Hammel finally wrote “The Lula Cafe Cookbook: Collected Recipes and Stories,” published last fall by Phaidon. Then again, the Tribune didn’t give Lula a full review until nearly 17 years after opening. The book sells out, but you will find 90 recipes including the beloved Pasta Yiayia (bucatini with feta, garlic, brown butter and cinnamon) and “Tineka” sandwich (spicy peanut butter with lettuce, tomato, red onion, cucumber and sprouts), both on the menu since 1999, and the first dish Hammel and Tshilds made together, sweet and sour cabbage soup.

Phaidon, phaidon.com

“A Very Chinese Cookbook: 100 Recipes from China and Not China (But Still Really Chinese)” by Jeffrey Pang and Kevin Pang

James Beard award-winning former Tribune food journalist Kevin Pang and his father, Jeffery Pang, had a strained relationship until they bonded through food, not family meals, but via the latter’s YouTube cooking channel. Their debut book, “A Very Chinese Cookbook: 100 Recipes from China and Not China (But Still Really Chinese),” was released last fall by America’s Test Kitchen, where father and son now host a hit YouTube series together called Hunger Pangs. The cookbook features more than 100 rigorously tested recipes, from a weeknight dinner clay pot chicken rice to special occasion Cantonese crispy pork belly, as well as a Chinatown shopping guide.

America’s Test Kitchen, americastestkitchen.com

Upcoming food book news:

The late Rocco Palese invented stuffed pizza in 1971, then opened the first Nancy’s Pizza with his wife and business nick-namesake, Annunziata Palese, who died in 2022. Their daughter, Marisa Palese, who owns the last remaining pizzeria in the family on Golf Road in Niles, is working on a book about the long-disputed story behind the most controversial of all the Chicago-style pizzas. She’s still looking for a publisher, so no title or publication date yet, but it is a saga of love, war and pizza.

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