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European court: Italy must remove crosses
The court, which sits in Strasbourg, France, ruled in an appeal by a Finnish immigrant to Italy, the Italian news agency ANSA reported. Soile Lautsi, who is an Italian citizen and lives near Padua, had lost in Italian courts when she asked for the removal of crosses from classrooms in her children's schools.
The Italian government must pay Lautsi 5,000 euros ($7,350) in "moral damages," the court said.
The Vatican refused immediate comment on the decision, with officials saying they had not seen the ruling.
''I believe reflection is needed before commenting,'' said the Rev. Federico Lombardi, a spokesman for the Catholic Church.
Conservative politicians in Italy denounced the decision. Education Minister Mariastella Gelmini called classroom crucifixes ''a symbol of Italian tradition," not a Christian one.
Under current Italian law, local governments can decide whether to hang crucifixes in public buildings.
Copyright 2009 by United Press International
This news arrived on: 11/03/2009
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11-04-2009 22:47
RH wrote:
Verhoeven
Yes, the Old Testament is the Jewish Book, just as the Jews are God's chosen people, and Jesus was born a Jew.
If you study the New Testament, however, you will find it is concealed in the Old Testament. And the Old Testament is revealed in the New Testament.
e.g
"Just at Moses lifted up the serpent in the desert (O.T. Numbers 21:6-9), so must the son of man be lifted up, so that everyone who believes in Him, might have eternal life." (NT John 3:14)
Exodus: The Passover Lamb - Jesus
Leviticus: High Priest - Jesus
Deuteronomy: Column of of a cloud -Jesus
Joshua: Captain of the host of our Lord - Jesus
Judges: Our law - Jesus
I received healing of migraine headaches which I'd had for many years, when told by The Holy Spirit to read Isaiah 53.
I read Isaiah 53 (3) three times, and when I read the part where it states, "By His stripes we are healed," the third time, it felt like someone had placed ice on my head and the headache was gone. I have not had another headache since.
Why did I have to read it (3) three times before I was healed of the migraine headaches? It is my belief that it was so I would understand that God is trinity - God The Father, God The Son, and God The Holy Spirit.
Praise God!
Yes, the Old Testament is the Jewish Book, just as the Jews are God's chosen people, and Jesus was born a Jew.
If you study the New Testament, however, you will find it is concealed in the Old Testament. And the Old Testament is revealed in the New Testament.
e.g
"Just at Moses lifted up the serpent in the desert (O.T. Numbers 21:6-9), so must the son of man be lifted up, so that everyone who believes in Him, might have eternal life." (NT John 3:14)
Exodus: The Passover Lamb - Jesus
Leviticus: High Priest - Jesus
Deuteronomy: Column of of a cloud -Jesus
Joshua: Captain of the host of our Lord - Jesus
Judges: Our law - Jesus
I received healing of migraine headaches which I'd had for many years, when told by The Holy Spirit to read Isaiah 53.
I read Isaiah 53 (3) three times, and when I read the part where it states, "By His stripes we are healed," the third time, it felt like someone had placed ice on my head and the headache was gone. I have not had another headache since.
Why did I have to read it (3) three times before I was healed of the migraine headaches? It is my belief that it was so I would understand that God is trinity - God The Father, God The Son, and God The Holy Spirit.
Praise God!
11-04-2009 20:40
Verhoeven wrote:
Interesting from the Horses Mouth
Why is Isaiah interpreted by Christians as the fore telling of Jesus' crucifixion and his death appeasing God for Adam's original sin? Thus allowing the door to be opened again to heaven.
Jewish answer: Remember, It's our Book.
The door never was closed. Because they simply do not and perhaps never will understand the plain and simple meaning of the Word of God.They have invented their own interpretation of our book to justify a reason for the coming of Jesus in antiquity making him legitimate to the Gentiles.
Jewish answer: Remember, It's our Book.
The door never was closed. Because they simply do not and perhaps never will understand the plain and simple meaning of the Word of God.They have invented their own interpretation of our book to justify a reason for the coming of Jesus in antiquity making him legitimate to the Gentiles.
11-04-2009 19:17
Atty. wrote:
Strange form of damages.
This absurd verdict reflects the strong secular movement in Europe today, but even that does not explain the concept of "moral damages" . Whose morals were damaged ? In what way were they damaged, and by what measure are morals evaluated ? This novel form of damages would seem to now be available to everyone who ever saw the crosses - which demonstrates how far from common sense this decision is.
11-04-2009 17:01
RH wrote:
In reference to the Old Testament: Jesus becomes the antithesis of Adam, sin and death comes to mankind through Adam, justification and life through Jesus Christ.
Many books in the Old Testament point to Jesus justifying mankind.
In Isaiah 53, (Jesus) the sinless servant, who by his voluntary suffering atones for the sins of his people, and saves them from just punishment.
"But he was pierced for our offences, crushed for our sins. Upon him was the chastisement that makes us whole, BY HIS STRIPES WE WERE HEALED."
(Isaiah 53:5)
Many books in the Old Testament point to Jesus justifying mankind.
In Isaiah 53, (Jesus) the sinless servant, who by his voluntary suffering atones for the sins of his people, and saves them from just punishment.
"But he was pierced for our offences, crushed for our sins. Upon him was the chastisement that makes us whole, BY HIS STRIPES WE WERE HEALED."
(Isaiah 53:5)
11-04-2009 16:28
RH wrote:
The article didn't explain why this woman is so adamant about having the crucifixes removed from Italian schools. If she is an agnostic, why would it trouble her.
As a Christian, I do not participate in the pagan celebration of Halloween. However, I don't demand that schools, grocery stores, etc., remove all the Halloween decorations.
As a Christian, I do not participate in the pagan celebration of Halloween. However, I don't demand that schools, grocery stores, etc., remove all the Halloween decorations.
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